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Science in the New White HouseAverage Joe's Corner - Monday, November 17th, 2008 Disclaimer: This is not intended as a political statement. A recent article (Science in the Obama Era) summarizing president-elect Barack Obama's view on science said that Obama would "take scientific integrity seriously" and remove ideology from scientific issues. Despite the article's obvious targeting (especially the comments section) of the current administration as antiscience by contrast, let's accentuate the positive. The article notes that Obama will take scientific integrity seriously "even if the verdict runs counter to his views." Probably what comes to mind for most people when they see those words is global warming and stem cell research. Assuming Obama is sincere, then all scientifically minded people have reasons to believe that scientific advance can lead to truth that ultimately benefits humanity. Global warming has been politically supercharged in recent years and stem cell research hasn't been much different. RTB scholars have commented on both issues (global warming, stem cell research). It appears from this Average Joe's perspective that the monumental challenge lies in holding true to a bias-free, yet ethically guided advancement of science. Whew! How do you remove ideology, and whose ethics will guide scientists? At a time of history that we can all point to as a sea change in the right direction regarding bias of one kind, let's hope that bias of another sort doesn't hinder progress for all of humanity. Your thoughts? |




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The research on stem cells,
The research on stem cells, their location, availability for harvesting (hopefully without pain to the donor), uses, specificities, potential for cloning has only just begun. Recent discoveries of at least 3 types of stem cells in human milk that can survive as long as 7 days outside the body, are an example of that. When there is an philosophical agenda underlying a research effort (such as justifying on-demand abortion or finding a new profit-line), research findings can be suspect. Money often trumps morals, but without money, not even research scientists can eat!
Luke's Nov. 18 comment was
Luke's Nov. 18 comment was especially perceptive: 'If the scientific research does not go with a politician’s ideals, (s)he can simply say something like, “The results of that research are quite interesting, and I believe we should continue to further that research; however, determining the implications of that research is outside my area of expertise.” '
The President-elect said essentially that; when Rich Warren asked him when life begins, he answered that it was "above my pay grade."
When it comes to the man
When it comes to the man Charles Darwin and his work, an attitude that is bias-free seems to escape a lot of people.
I am a devoted follower of the Lord Jesus Christ who has as one of my favorite reads a facsimile first edition of On the Origin of Species.
Knowing what was not known at the time concerning genetics, Darwin’s work is far from perfect but as far as I can tell is a fine piece of work.
One of the first books I read when I learned to read in High School (I was a very slow learner) was The Voyage of the Beagle and I had the awesome privilege of visiting Olduvai Gorge in the 1960’s where Louis Leakey made his discoveries.
But because I was a “Conservative Christian” I could enjoy none of it.
I hope and pray that as people celebrate Charles Darwin’s 200th birthday early next year, Reasons to Believe will be celebrating the memory of this marvelous scientist as well.
Just in Jesus,
Steve
Just a quick note: Thanks
Just a quick note:
Thanks for your patience. This (perhaps less than average) blogger hopes to post more frequently, so you can contribute your thoughts more often. And, sometime after the new year (maybe Feb or March) RTB will launch a spiffy new website. Hang in there.
Joe
I would say the answer to
I would say the answer to that lies in understanding where the fertility clinic is getting these “unwanted” embryonic stem cells in the first place and what would happen to that process if they are suddenly paid to produce them.
Why can't scientists start a
Why can't scientists start a stem cell line on a human embryonic stem cell that a fertility clinic is just about to throw in a dumpster?
This happens every day. Fertility clinics throw unwanted stem cells in the trash.
I don't see why we can't do research on those embryos.
Any thoughts?
I have bad vibes about this
I have bad vibes about this upcoming administration. The whiners who want God taken out of schools, parks, and off the money have a lot of say as to what is allowed to be taught. Evolution, like the dead horse it is, hasn’t had the last ounce of frustration beaten out of it yet. On Hugh's web site is a mountain of information that can be used to educate the next generation. But, you see, it's biased.
Here's what I believe: We teach kids from grammar school to college how to Create things; be they cars, boats, or electronic devices. We also teach them to set up assembly lines to assemble these "creations". There are tools and robotics to program that will put these creations together in a logical order. Creation happens in one realm and construction in another.
Now I'll make a giant step. Genesis 1 describes creation; and science untangles all the mysteries as to how this creation was put on an assembly line and came to maturity.
I don't believe Christianity will be injected into the school system; it’s a shame. Fools and cowards will keep that dead animal on the whipping post as long as it takes. Creation just makes too much sense.
The world looks to America
The world looks to America for leadership and guidance for many things. Science is no exception. American excellence in Science is the Gold standard by which all other national science programs are measured.
The last 8 yrs of republican administration has tainted Creation Science. Anything 'bad', 'ideological' or 'dishonest' about one administration tarnishes everything else that is associated with it. Creation Science has been contrasted with secular 'good' science. Creation Science is associated with the reputations of those politicians who have gained political advantage by spouting the right words to appease their constituencies and win votes.
The average american sees through the bluster. But for the international community it is hard to see the nuances of American political speech.
The Good News is that Creation Science has gained greater international exposure. The main players and the divergent viewpoints within Creation Science have received publicity and many have received legitimacy. And more people now have access to the amazing resources that are available on the internet and through books available on websites.
We can anticipate in the immediate future a crystalization of the creationist viewpoint as the serious proponents of Creationism like RTB get better attention and acceptance while the fringe players become increasingly irrelevant. The challenge would be to retain public and media attention in the absence of political battles.
My prayer and hope is that more people will become aware of the hollowness of materialistic naturalism and remember the good Creation Science that is just a click away on the internet.
I actually do discern God in
I actually do discern God in all this. Here in the nation's capital, where RTB just held it's first regional conference (What Darwin Didn't Know), things aren't as predictable as is generally thought. If anything, post-election transitions are far more chaotic than the lead up to the election itself. And the flux continues, sometimes for a long period. Because people, not machines, run the joint. God's Agenda, not any man's, does and will prevail, although we may not see it clearly til later - maybe much later. America's elected officials still operate on power from the people, which translates into influence, guidance and ideas - it's as much voices as it is money (although the latter seems to dominate). It is also very competitive. Many stupid projects - science included - get funded merely for lack of an alternative and because somebody proposed it while somebody else pushed for it. If competent, creative, competitive experiments which advance scientific knowledge while challenging the status quo evolutionary model (or climate change, abortion, or any standing program), for instance, with RTB's testable creation model, were proposed, they would win a place at the table. For one thing, naturalism is bankrupt, as many naturalists try hard not to think about. Don't be snowed by all the harsh rhetoric and scary agendas.
Good (Godly) science CAN happen. Even in Washington. Program directors are eager for sensible excellence. Labs are hungry for good ideas. Got any?
Wouldn't it be refreshing to
Wouldn't it be refreshing to be able to drop the cloak of political correctness and censorship and ask in a public forum, a public school classroom for example, the questions that kids and their teachers privately ask: What does science really know? What does it not know, and may never be able to know? What do we really know about how that first speck of matter/energy got to making a person like me ask these questions? And the kinds of evidence a person can, and ought to, bring when thinking about these questions...
The article referenced talks
The article referenced talks about “no more war on science”.
You can call me a skeptic, but I don’t think you can take the politics out of human reason. My question is what “war” and what “science” are they talking about?
Are they talking about the science based on the “non-ideological” belief there is a natural cause for life? The science that believes humans can experiment with the very essence of human life without moral and ethical implications of what it means to the value we place on human life and its equality of rights? The science that says global warming is the consensus and therefore the debate is over?
If the Bush administration did try to silence debate, it was wrong, but I don’t trust the politics of such a claim. Am I to believe there is no ideological aim to “this science” and it‘s only those on the “right” who have a biased perspective? What does this author mean by “no more war on science," could he be making a claim that with Obama, the debate over what science is, or should be, about is now closed?
These are the questions I would like to see addressed. Is it real science if we close the debate? When did we decide science is based on consensus? Is it less “political” and more “objective” when we close the debate and thereby “end the war”?
I know that this is going to
I know that this is going to sound really bad, but it is coming from what politicians have said in the past...
I think that there is a way that a politician (or anybody) can appear unbiased but still hold a bias. A person will acknowledge the facts of studies and other forms of scientific research, without acknowledging the implications. Considering the fact that the vast majority of Americans are not knowledgeable about scientific research, politicians can do (and have done) this quite easily. If the scientific research does not go with a politician's ideals, (s)he can simply say something like, "The results of that research are quite interesting, and I believe we should continue to further that research; however, determining the implications of that research is outside my area of expertise."
I agree that it would be
I agree that it would be wonderful if ideology were consistently subject to the scientific method and the pursuit of truth wherever it leads. I don't think we know enough of what a future President Obama might do or even what his position is on creation and the cosmos. We can however certainly pray that God give him wisdom and understanding.
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